2022

Considerations Before Deciding When to Enter/Exit DROP

Date: Sep 23, 2022 Categories: DROP, News Articles, Retirement Resources

City Members hired before July 1, 2005; Port Members hired before October 1, 2005; and Airport Members hired before October 2, 2006 have the option to participate in the Deferred Retirement Option Plan (“DROP”) when they become age and service eligible to retire. You can review our DROP Fact Sheet for more detailed information about this program, but one important aspect of DROP is that when a member enters, they generally must exit and fully retire within five years of their DROP entry date (exception for City firefighters). Many DROP participants elect to stay in DROP and continue working for their plan sponsor for the full five-year period, while many others only stay in for a fraction of that time – it is entirely up to each member if they want to exit DROP early based on their personal circumstances.   That being said, here are a few things to consider before you decide when to enter (and possibly when to exit) DROP, not in any particular order:COLA – The annual cost of living adjustment (“COLA”) applies every July to the monthly pension benefit of every DROP participant who entered DROP by the previous June 30th. The COLA can increase your pension benefit up to 2% in any given year. Therefore, some members intentionally choose to enter DROP on or before June 30th so that their benefit receives the COLA immediately.Note: The Board approves the COLA at its May meeting each year, so you will know what the COLA will be more than a month in advance. However, keep in mind you must enter DROP at the beginning of a pay period, which may not be exactly on June 30th – plan ahead to schedule your DROP entry date accordingly; if you decide you want to enter DROP before July 1st of a given year in order to receive the COLA in July, we recommend submitting your online DROP entry application by early May, so we can schedule your counseling appointment in May or the beginning of June. Don’t procrastinate until the end of June, or you may risk being unable to enter DROP before July! (The SDCERS counselors are usually booked a month out.)Annual Member Contribution Account Interest – On the flip side, if you enter DROP after June 30th of a given year, your member contribution account receives the annual compounded interest (currently 6.5%), which only applies to members who are not retired or in DROP as of July 1st. While the interested added to your contribution account does not increase your base pension benefit, it will slightly increase your Cost of Living Annuity (“COL Annuity”) and Surviving Spouse Annuity (only applicable if you choose the Maximum Benefit (Single) option). However, this increase is rarely greater than the increase due to the COLA would be, but still something to keep in mind!DROP Account Interest – While you are participating in DROP, your DROP account will receive quarterly compounded interest at whatever the current rate is in effect on the last day of each quarter (DROP interest rates are subject to change each year – new rates are generally announced at the November Board meeting and go into effect the following January 1st). However, you must be working and participating in DROP on the last day of the quarter in order to receive interest for that quarter, so this is something to consider before deciding when to exit DROP. This also matters when deciding on your DROP entry date because if you enter DROP towards the end of a quarter and stay in for the full five years, you will not receive interest for the last quarter of your DROP participation period (unless you are a firefighter and able to extend your DROP period through the end of the quarter), thereby likely forfeiting what would have been the most significant interest payment to your DROP account. For example, if you enter DROP on June 15th and stay in for the full five years, your last day of work must be on June 14th five years later; therefore, your DROP account would not receive interest for the 2nd quarter of that year, since you wouldn’t be working on June 30th.Final Compensation – For those eligible to enter DROP, the “Final Compensation” used to calculate your pension benefit is your highest pensionable salary averaged over 12 consecutive months. If you recently received a salary increase, especially a significant one, you may want to continue working and receiving that higher pay for a while before you enter DROP, in order for the higher salary to be factored into your pension benefit calculation – if you enter DROP shortly after receiving a raise, it won’t significantly increase your pension benefit. Also, keep in mind that if you have reciprocity with another California public retirement system, the Final Compensation that SDCERS reports to the reciprocal system will be your Final Compensation as of your DROP entry date, not your DROP exit date. This means that even if you receive a salary increase while you are participating in DROP, it will not affect your pension benefit either from SDCERS or the reciprocal system.Birthday – Your retirement factor, another element of your pension benefit formula, is determined based on your plan tier and age at DROP entry, prorated in quarterly increments.  When deciding on your DROP entry date, consider your exact age – for example, if your plan tier’s retirement factor increases between 60 and 61, and you enter DROP when you are 60 years and 6 months old, the factor used in your benefit calculation will be slightly higher than what would be used if you retired at 60 years and 5 months old. Therefore, if your tentative DROP entry date is close to your next quarter age, you may want to push your entry date a few weeks so your pension benefit calculation will use that slightly higher retirement factor.DROP Annuity Interest Rate – Finally, the last consideration is only relevant if you are interested in taking the DROP annuity after you exit. (See this article discussing your options regarding what you can do with your DROP account when you exit.) Like the DROP account rate, the DROP annuity rate is subject to change each year, with new rates typically announced at the November Board meeting, which go into effect the following January 1st. Unlike the DROP account rate, your DROP annuity calculation is locked in at whatever the current DROP annuity rate is in effect on the day that you exit DROP. Therefore, in your last year of DROP, if the Board announces in November that the DROP annuity rate is going to decrease in January, you may want to exit by the end of December so your annuity is calculated before the rate goes down. (In this case, don’t forget that your DROP account would not receive 4th quarter interest.) If the annuity rate is going to increase in January, then you may want to wait until after December 31st to exit, so your DROP annuity is calculated at the higher rate. However, in order to take advantage of the latter situation, you must have the flexibility to do so based on your DROP entry date – for instance, if you entered DROP towards the end of a calendar year and you stay in for the full five-year period, then you will not be able to wait until the following January to exit, even if the annuity rate is going to increase.All of these considerations are important, but must be balanced by your personal circumstances and desires. As you can see, it’s impossible to take advantage of every single factor listed above, because many of them work against each other – for example, if you enter DROP in June, you set yourself up to receive the COLA immediately, but you are sacrificing the 2nd quarter DROP account interest payment in your last year of DROP. If you wait until July to enter, your COL Annuity and Surviving Spouse Annuity (if applicable) will increase, but you won’t receive the COLA until the following July. So on and so forth. If you have any questions about the considerations described above, please contact SDCERS via our Contact Us page or by calling (619) 525-3600 on regular business days between 9:00 a.m. and noon, or 1:00 to 4:00 p.m. (PST).   Learn More...

SDCERS' Final Investment Return for FY 2022

Date: Sep 22, 2022 Categories: Investments, News Articles, Press Release

At its September Board meeting, SDCERS reported a net return of -1.7% for Fiscal Year 2022. As of June 30, 2022, the trust fund’s assets totaled just over $10.0 billion – a net year over year decrease of approximately $328 million. SDCERS’ annualized rate of return over the past 10 years is 8.5%, and its return since inception is 8.8%.   Although SDCERS’ net return for Fiscal Year 2022 was negative, it significantly outperformed its benchmark, which posted a -5.7% return for the year. The benchmark is a measure of how the total fund would have performed if it had been completely invested in index funds. SDCERS surpassed its benchmark due to the performance of its active managers. In particular, SDCERS’ managed futures allocation had a strong performance over the past year. The managed futures allocation, which seeks to benefit from either upwards or downwards trends in stocks, bonds, commodities, and currencies, was added to the fund in 2019 to add diversification to the plan and act as a buffer in periods of market stress.   Performance can also be measured in comparison to other public pension plans, although it is important to remember that different plans have a variety of sizes, circumstances, and funding statuses, all of which impact their asset allocations and, in turn, their return targets. This past fiscal year, SDCERS’ total fund net return was in the top 4% compared to other similarly-sized plans. Over longer time periods, SDCERS stacks up very well against its peers – posting top quartile returns over rolling 3-, 5-, 10- and 20-year periods ending June 30, 2022. Learn More...

Create Your SDCERS Member Portal Account Today!

Date: Sep 09, 2022 Categories: Member Portal, News Articles, Proposition B

If you have not already done so, please register your account on the secure SDCERS Member Portal! This message is for all SDCERS Members, but particularly for City employees affected by Proposition B, who joined the system as of July 9, 2022 and are now able to register.   Please note that non-retired members will need to know the exact amount of your last SDCERS member contribution in order to complete registration – you can find this amount on your most recent paycheck, under “Pre-Tax Deductions.” Members who are actively participating in DROP will need to know the amount of their last DROP contribution, and retired members will need to know the exact amount of their last pension payment.   Also, we recommend you use a personal email address for registration, rather than your work email address – this is because you will lose access to your work email address when you terminate employment with your plan sponsor and/or retire, but you will still need access to your Member Portal account.  Member Portal Highlights Here are the most important aspects of your Member Portal as an active Member:Update Beneficiary Designations – please do this immediately! In the event of your untimely death, SDCERS needs to know to whom you would like us to pay your applicable death benefits. You can name multiple beneficiaries, as well as primary and alternate beneficiaries, and you can add or remove beneficiaries at any time via your Member Portal account. Please review our Death Benefits Fact Sheet for more information.Reciprocity Request – if you would have been able to establish reciprocity when you were initially hired by the City, had you immediately began participating in SDCERS, you can now begin the process to establish reciprocity via your Member Portal. Once reciprocity has been accepted or denied, you will receive a letter stating the outcome – please note that the process to establish reciprocity may take several months. You can review our Reciprocity & Blended Benefits Fact Sheet for more information.Benefit Estimate Calculator – a very important tool in retirement planning, you can use this calculator to input hypothetical retirement scenarios and get an idea of what your future pension benefit might look like under different sets of circumstances. Please take a look at our Benefit Estimate Calculator Fact Sheet for guidance when generating an estimate.Monitor Your Individual SDCERS Contribution Account – if you are a Prop B employee, your SPSP-H funds were transferred to your SDCERS account several weeks ago. You can view your SDCERS contribution account via the Portal and watch it grow as you continue to add contributions and as interest accrues every July 1st.Submit Purchase of Service Credit Requests – you may be eligible to purchase certain periods of time where you were not contributing to SDCERS. You can submit a Service Purchase Request via your Member Portal and SDCERS will send you a list of all (if any) periods of time you are eligible to purchase, as well as how much each period of time costs. Please review our Purchase of Service Credit Fact Sheet for more information.Apply for Retirement – when you are within six months of being both age and service eligible to retire, you will begin the retirement process by submitting an online application in your Member Portal.If you have any questions or encounter a problem when trying to register, please contact SDCERS at (619) 525-3600, open on regular business days from 9:00 a.m. to noon and 1:00 to 4:00 p.m. Alternatively, you can send us an electronic message via our Contact Us page. Learn More...

September 2022 Board & Committee Meetings - In Person

Date: Sep 02, 2022 Categories: Board, News Articles, Press Release

SDCERS will be holding its regularly scheduled September 2022 Board and Committee meetings; however, due to ongoing construction, the meetings cannot be held in our usual Board Meeting Room downtown. Instead, the meetings will be held at the Best Western Plus Island Palms Hotel in the Sunset Conference Room – see further details below.   Please note that SDCERS Board and Committee meetings are not currently being held remotely – Board and Committee members, as well as some SDCERS staff, will be on-site and the public is welcome to attend in person as well. You can find the agendas for the September 2022 meetings here.  Meeting Location & Parking SDCERS’ usual Board Meeting Room remains under construction. Therefore, the September meetings will be held in the Sunset Conference Room at the Best Western Plus Island Palms Hotel, located at 2051 Shelter Island Drive, San Diego, CA 92106. Parking is complimentary, either at the hotel or across the street.  Meeting Dates September 8th –          Disability Committee meeting at 9:00 a.m. PST                                     Business & Governance Committee meeting at 9:15 a.m. PST                                     Investment Committee meeting 12:30 p.m. PST   September 9th –          Board of Administration meeting at 8:30 a.m. PST   You may request to participate in public comment, either by attending the meeting in person and providing a completed Request to Speak form to the Board Assistant before the meeting begins, or by submitting a written statement ahead of time. To request a written statement to be read aloud at a meeting, use the Contact Us page on our website to submit your public comment request at least 24 hours in advance of the corresponding meeting. Please include the following information in your request: Your contact information and the meeting during which you would like your comment to be read aloud. All appropriate messages timely received will be responded to and/or read aloud at the appropriate meeting. Learn More...

Summer 2022 SCOOP Newsletter & FY 2022 Annual Member Statements

Date: Aug 15, 2022 Categories: News Articles, Press Release, Retirement Resources

SDCERS’ 2022 Summer SCOOP Newsletter has arrived and should hit mailboxes within the next week or so! For members who have not yet retired or entered DROP (including inactive and deferred vested members), a copy of the newsletter will be included in the envelope with your FY 2022 Annual Member Statement. You can also view an electronic version of current and past issues on our website, here. The purpose of our newsletter is to keep you informed about what is currently happening here at SDCERS, along with providing educational content. If you’d like to receive an electronic copy of future SCOOP issues in advance of the mailed copy, you can sign up here.   Along with the Summer Newsletter, SDCERS members who have not yet retired or entered DROP should be receiving their Annual Member Statement in the mail over the next week. This statement contains detailed account information for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2022, which means the information is current as of July 1, 2022. The purpose of the Annual Member Statement is (1) to ensure that your beneficiary designations are correct, and (2) to keep you up-to-date regarding the details of your SDCERS retirement account. You can also access electronic copies of current and past Annual Member Statements via your secure Member Portal account.   A video detailing the contents of your statement is available here.  Please review the information on your statement carefully. If you have questions about the Personal Information listed, please contact your Payroll Specialist or update your information in SAP (or contact your Human Resources office if you are a Port or Airport member).  Contact SDCERS if you have questions or need to update the Member and Contribution Information or Beneficiary Information, or if you believe there is an error in your statement.   If you have questions about your Annual Member Statement, please contact your Payroll Specialist or call the SDCERS Call Center at 619-525-3600, open Monday-Friday from 9:00 a.m. to noon and 1:00 to 4:00 p.m. (PST). And remember, your most up-to-date account information is always available on the SDCERS Member Portal.   Learn More...

SDCERS Welcomes Carina Coleman as Its New Chief Investment Officer

Date: Aug 10, 2022 Categories: News Articles, Press Release

After 15 years with the SDCERS investment team and a career in investing, SDCERS’ longtime Chief Investment Officer Liza Crisafi celebrated a well-earned retirement at the end of July. Liza announced her retirement well in advance, allowing SDCERS to conduct an extensive national search. We are pleased to announce that Carina Coleman will be SDCERS’ new Chief Investment Officer!   As a former SDCERS Board Member (and Board President), Carina is a familiar face around SDCERS. “Carina brings technical expertise, strong business acumen, practical CIO experience, detailed knowledge of SDCERS’ investment program policies, good relationships with key SDCERS business partners, and, importantly, a leadership and soft skill set which is in close alignment with SDCERS’ core values,” said Gregg Rademacher, SDCERS CEO. We expect Carina will be joining the team on August 18th. In the interim, Senior Investment Officer Jamie Hamrick is serving as Interim CIO. Jamie, along with our entire investment team, will ensure a smooth transition.   Carina takes charge of SDCERS’ investment portfolio, which was valued at approximately $10.9 billion as of the end of the first quarter of 2022. SDCERS has a well-diversified portfolio that has achieved risk-adjusted returns in the top decile compared to similarly-sized public pension plans over the past 3, 5, and 10 years. Carina shared, “I am very excited about the opportunity to serve as CIO for SDCERS. I have enjoyed working with SDCERS as a Trustee and I look forward to leading the investment team of this well-respected organization.”Carina Coleman, SDCERS' New Chief Investment Officer   Carina most recently served as the Director, Pension and Trust Investments, at Sempra. She earned her MBA in Finance from the Wharton School of Business and is a CFA and CAIA Charterholder. She also holds an MA in International Studies from the University of Pennsylvania and a BA in Economics/International Area Studies and German Studies from UCLA. Carina has experience managing the investments of multi-billion-dollar retirement plans of varying risk profiles across multiple asset classes. She further has expertise in formulating investment policy, constructing portfolios to meet return and risk objectives, conducting investment manager due diligence, and analyzing risk and performance.   Professional recruiting firm EFL & Associates assisted in the search to fill the CIO position.   Learn More...

Will You Be Able to Live Off of Your Pension Benefit?

Date: Jul 08, 2022 Categories: Pension, Retirement Resources

Note: SDCERS does not provide financial planning advice, but offers these general tips for your retirement planning convenience. Picture yourself as a retiree: Are you relaxing on a beach somewhere, maybe playing a round of golf? Or are you living retirement check to retirement check, worrying about how you’ll make ends meet? Everyone wants to spend their golden years in comfort. Fortunately, there are things you can do at every stage in life to achieve financial peace of mind in retirement.Step 1: Post-Retirement Income First things first, you’ll need to identify what your income sources will be after you leave the workforce and estimate what your post-retirement income will be. You can estimate your future pension benefit by logging in to your SDCERS Member Portal account. See the Member Portal FAQs for detailed instructions explaining how to generate pension benefit estimates using the Retirement Benefit Calculator on your Member Portal account. Your primary post-retirement income might be your SDCERS pension benefit – but don’t forget about other possible income streams you may have access to, such as social security benefits, military pension, 401(k), IRA, and other savings accounts or annuities. Maybe you even own a rental property that generates a steady source of income. These are all things to consider before moving on to Step 2.Step 2: Post-Retirement Budget So you’ve figured out where your money is going to come from, now you have to figure out how much money you’re going to need. A commonly accepted rule of thumb is to plan on needing about 80% of your pre-retirement income if you want to maintain the same quality of life after retirement. For example, if your annual take-home salary is $100,000, you should assume you’ll need at least $80,000 a year after you retire. Of course, this is just an estimate – some of us will need more than 80%, some of us will need less. Either way, taking the time to consider how your expenses will change in retirement will help you create a retirement budget that’s right for you. Here are some things to consider when deciding how much income you need after retirement:Post-Retirement Activities – Do you plan on traveling the world after you retire? Maybe you want to finally learn how to golf? Or maybe you’d rather sit on your front porch every day and read all the books you never got around to before. Whatever your retirement dreams are, think about the price tag that might come with your new hobbies.​   Residency – Where are you going to live? Consider the cost of living and state taxes of wherever you plan on spending the rest of your life.   Housing – Will you rent or buy? If you think you’ll be renting for the rest of your life, don’t forget to account for future rent increases. If you plan on owning a home, include your mortgage payment, property taxes, HOA fees, and homeowner’s insurance payments in your estimated housing expenses. You might be planning on selling your house and downsizing, in which case don’t forget to include the extra proceeds from the sale as income in your budget!   Healthcare – It can be hard to predict how much you will have to pay out of pocket for healthcare after retirement. You should first become familiar with your retiree healthcare plan, whatever that may be. Depending on your health concerns, you might want to purchase supplemental health insurance. Don’t forget you may be eligible for Medicare at age 65, but it isn’t free. Consider the deductible and monthly payments associated with your plan. Also, healthcare costs tend to increase with age, so it’s not a bad idea to overestimate your budget in this area.Once you’ve considered the additional expenses associated with your post-retirement life, add in your regular recurring monthly expenses such as food, toiletries, car payments, insurance, repairs, etc., and don’t be afraid to be overly cautious – it’s always better to end up under budget rather than over. The final number is your income target. Now, you can strategize based on the income sources you identified in Step 1 to ensure you meet that goal. This may include meeting with an SDCERS retirement counselor to figure out when you will be able to retire with a monthly pension benefit that aligns with your post-retirement budget.   Learn More...

July 2022 Board & Committee Meetings - In Person

Date: Jun 30, 2022 Categories: Board, News Articles, Press Release

SDCERS will be holding its regularly scheduled July 2022 Board and Committee meetings in a conference room at SDCERS’ downtown office building. This means that this month’s Board and Committee meetings will not be held remotely – Board and Committee members, as well as some SDCERS staff, will be on-site and the public is welcome to attend in person as well. You can find the agendas for the July 2022 meetings here.  Meeting Location & Parking SDCERS’ usual Board Meeting Room is currently under construction. Therefore, the July meetings will be held in the same building, at 401 West A Street, San Diego, CA 92101, but in Suite 120, which is on the main floor (lobby level) – please don’t hesitate to ask a building staff member at the security/information desk for directions if you have trouble locating the room. You can park in the building’s underground parking garage – if you do so, please be sure to bring your parking ticket with you to the meeting, write your name at the top, and place it in the basket labeled “Parking Validation” in the meeting room. At the end of the meeting, you can retrieve your validated ticket and use it to exit the parking garage at no cost. You can find driving directions and parking instructions on this page.  Meeting Dates July 6th –        Audit Committee meeting at 9:00 a.m. PST   July 7th –        Disability Committee meeting at 9:00 a.m. PST                         Business & Governance Committee meeting at                         9:15 a.m. PST                         Investment Committee meeting 12:30 p.m. PST   July 8th –        Board of Administration meeting at 8:30 a.m. PST   You may request to participate in public comment, either by attending the meeting in person and providing a completed Request to Speak form to the Board Assistant before the meeting begins, or by submitting a written statement ahead of time. To request a written statement to be read aloud at a meeting, use the Contact Us page on our website to submit your public comment request at least 24 hours in advance of the corresponding meeting. Please include the following information in your request: Your contact information and the meeting during which you would like your comment to be read aloud. All appropriate messages timely received will be responded to and/or read aloud at the appropriate meeting.   Learn More...

Fiscal Year 2023 Health Allowances for Eligible City Retirees

Date: May 27, 2022 Categories: Health, News Articles, Open Enrollment, Press Release

This article is only applicable to City retirees who have a health reimbursement plan through the City.   The City of San Diego and the San Diego Public Employee Benefits Association (SDPEBA) are changing the effective date of their retiree healthcare plan offerings. Starting January 1, 2023, the sponsored retiree healthcare plans will be effective based on the calendar year, rather than the fiscal year. However, the annual allowances for retiree healthcare will continue to be offered on the fiscal year, resetting each July 1st.   Below are the fiscal year 2023 retiree healthcare allowances (effective July 1, 2022 – June 30, 2023). Remember, if you would like to change plans before this year’s Open Enrollment in November, you may do so from June 1, 2022 through June 30, 2022. You will be able to choose from the current plan offerings. You can review information about the current plans and download enrollment/disenrollment forms on this page. All forms must be received by 5:00 p.m. (PST) on Thursday, June 30, 2022. All changes timely submitted will be effective August 1, 2022. You may submit your forms via email (attached as a PDF) to health@sdcers.org, by mail to SDCERS Health Division, 401 West A Street, Suite 400, San Diego, CA 92101 or by fax to (858) 581-5314.  If you do not want to make any changes to your current healthcare, dental, or vision plan, you do not have to take any action during Open Enrollment and your coverage will remain the same.   For plans beginning in January 2023, you will receive the full Open Enrollment booklet in November 2022 with information on plans and premiums. If you do not want to make any changes to your current healthcare, dental, or vision plan for 2023, you do not need to take any action in November 2022 and your coverage will remain the same for 2023.   If you have any questions, you can contact the Call Center at (619) 525-3600, open on regular business days from 9:00 a.m. to noon and 1:00 to 4:00 p.m. PST. However, as this is a significant change to retiree health, we anticipate a higher than usual call volume over the next several months. If your question is not urgent, we recommend submitting your request electronically via the Contact Us page; SDCERS staff generally will respond to electronic inquiries within one business day. Please note that at this time, SDCERS’ physical downtown offices are still closed to members and the public.   Learn More...

Cost of Living Adjustment (“COLA”) for Fiscal Year 2023

Date: May 13, 2022 Categories: Board, COLA, News Articles, Pension, Press Release

At its May 13, 2022 meeting, SDCERS’ Board of Administration approved the Cost of Living Adjustment (“COLA”) that will be applied to eligible SDCERS retirees’ (including active DROP participants) monthly pension benefit amount from July 1, 2022 – June 30, 2023. Your pension benefit will receive a COLA for Fiscal Year 2023 if your retirement or DROP entry date is on or before June 30, 2022.   Per San Diego Municipal Code section 24.1505 and section 1301 of the Port and Airport Plans, the COLA is calculated every year based on the change in the cost of living between the two previous Decembers, as published by the Bureau of Labor Statistics Consumer Price Index (“CPI”), United States – All items. However, the maximum allowable increase in any given year is 2.0%.   In years where the COLA is greater than the maximum 2.0% (such as this year), the amount over 2% is added to what is called a “COLA bank.” A retiree’s COLA bank accumulates based on their fiscal year of retirement (or DROP entry), and each annual retiree group has its own COLA bank. In years that the CPI’s published COLA is less than 2%, each retiree group’s COLA bank may be able to increase the actual COLA received by the retiree up to a maximum of 2%, if that retiree group’s COLA bank has accrued enough funds from previous years where the published COLA was greater than 2%.   According to the CPI, the change in cost of living between December 31, 2020 and December 31, 2021 was 7.0% (rounded to the nearest 1/10th of a percent). This means that everyone who is retired or participating in DROP as of June 30, 2022 will receive the maximum 2% COLA increase to their pension benefit, and bank the additional 5.0%.*  *The two members who are in the 1981 retirement plan will receive a COLA increase of 3.2%.   This is significant because that means those who receive the fiscal year 2023 COLA and add the additional 5.0% to their COLA banks are guaranteed to receive a 2% COLA in fiscal years 2024 and 2025, at the very least (assuming we do not experience a negative COLA in either year). Let’s look at a theoretical scenario to really see the significance – please remember that we have absolutely no way of predicting what the CPI’s published COLA will be in future years and this is very much a hypothetical example: If Sam Diego retires or enters DROP in June of 2022 and his monthly pension benefit is $5,000: You can see how the 5% addition to Sam’s COLA bank right off the bat can help ensure his benefit receives the maximum 2% increase in future years, when the published COLA is less than 2%. In the example above, we assumed that the published COLA applicable to fiscal years 2024-2029 was always between 1.4% and 2.0%. Note that if the published COLA is less in any given years, more would be subtracted from Sam’s COLA bank for those years. Conversely, if the published COLA is greater than 2.0% in any of the given years, then the amount above 2.0% would be once again added to his bank.   This article is not an attempt to persuade you to retire or enter DROP before July 1, 2022 – there are certainly other factors to consider, such as your age, upcoming salary increases, etc. (please review this article discussing factors to consider before deciding when to retire or enter DROP). However, as this is the highest published COLA we’ve seen since 1982, and it is very rare for a retiree to add such a large amount to their COLA bank in a single year, it’s worth noting and may factor into your decision to retire or enter DROP before July 1, 2022. (Note: You must enter DROP at the beginning of a pay period - so, if you enter in June 2022, your entry date must be either June 11 or June 25, 2022.)   If you are eligible to receive a fiscal year 2023 COLA, the applicable increase will be reflected in your July 2022 pension payment.   Learn More...

SDCERS' Board Elects Paul Kaufmann Board President

Date: May 13, 2022 Categories: Board, News Articles, Press Release

After many years of service, longtime Board Member and previous Board President Carina Coleman is leaving SDCERS' Board of Administration. On behalf of all SDCERS staff, we sincerely thank you for volunteering your time to serve on our Board.  At today's Board meeting, Paul Kaufmann (formerly Board Vice President) was unanimously elected to assume the position of Board President. Mr. Kaufmann also currently serves on SDCERS' Business & Governance Committee and previously served on SDCERS' Audit Committee for many years. He is also a Community Advisory Board Member at Sanford Burnham Prebys, a non-profit medical research institution that is dedicated to finding cures for human diseases. In his free time, Mr. Kaufmann works as an Adjunct Professor at Brandman University’s Business School in Irvine, CA.  SDCERS' Board and staff looks forward to continue working with Paul Kaufmann as we all strive to fulfill SDCERS' mission of delivering benefits timely and accurately, and ensuring the trust fund's safety, integrity, and growth. Learn More...

May 2022 Remote Board & Committee Meetings

Date: May 06, 2022 Categories: Board, News Articles, Press Release

SDCERS will be holding its regularly scheduled May 2022 Board and Committee meetings remotely. This means the Board meeting room will be closed to the public and only SDCERS staff whose presence is necessary to run the meeting will be onsite.   Although the public will be unable to physically attend these meetings, we have made the meetings available for the public to attend remotely. To attend the Disability and/or Investment Committee meetings, please click the corresponding link below prior to the start time of the meeting. You will have to download the Zoom application in order to attend.  May 12th, 9:00 a.m. PST Disability Committee meeting Zoom link: https://us06web.zoom.us/j/89364107160  May 12th, 12:30 p.m. PST Investment Committee meeting Zoom link: https://us06web.zoom.us/j/83157319370 Once you are in the meeting, you can click the “View Options” bar at the top of the screen and then “Side-by-side mode” in order to see both the presenter’s screen and the webcams of Committee members and panelists.   SDCERS will also be live streaming the entirety of the Business & Governance Committee meeting on May 12th at 9:15 a.m. PST, and the Board meeting on May 13th at 8:30 a.m. PST. To access the live stream for either meeting, go to our Board Meeting Agendas page before the meeting starts and click on the “Agenda” link corresponding to the meeting you wish to attend. This will open a new tab with the agenda for that meeting, which includes an embedded video player that will automatically begin the live stream once the meeting starts. Video recordings of the meetings will also be available on this same page the week following the meeting, as well as on our YouTube page.   You may request to participate in public comment, either live (via Zoom) or written statement. To request time to speak, use the Contact Us page on our website to submit your public comment request at least 24 hours in advance of the meeting you are requesting participation in.  If you only wish for your written comments to be read aloud at the meeting, you can send us a message via our Contact Us page up to one hour before the relevant meeting. Include the following information in your request: your contact information, which meeting you wish to participate in, and if you would like your statement read aloud at the meeting or if you would like to speak during the meeting. If you are requesting to speak aloud at the meeting, someone from SDCERS will contact you with instructions for how to join the corresponding meeting. All appropriate messages timely received will be responded to and/or read aloud at the appropriate meeting.   Learn More...

City Retiree Healthcare Plans Switching to Calendar Year Schedule - Open Enrollment to Be Held in November 2022

Date: Apr 15, 2022 Categories: Health, News Articles, Press Release

Note: This is only applicable to City retirees who are enrolled in, or plan to enroll in, a City retiree health insurance plan.   SDCERS recently mailed a letter to all City retirees explaining the upcoming changes to City retiree healthcare. Historically, the City’s retiree health insurance plans have been implemented according to the fiscal year, with open enrollment traditionally held in June and plan changes effective the following August. However, beginning January 1, 2023, the City’s retiree health insurance plans will be effective based on the calendar year instead.  This means the City’s retiree health plans will begin each January 1st, instead of August 1st. If you are currently participating in a City retiree health plan, or if you intend to enroll in a City retiree health plan in the future, the following applies to you:In order to smooth the transition, the City’s sponsored retiree healthcare plans and premiums will remain unchanged through December 31, 2022.The annual Open Enrollment period will now take place in November, rather than June – at this time, we expect this year’s Open Enrollment will begin on November 1, 2022 and end November 30, 2022; however, you will be notified via mail when the dates have been confirmed.The Comprehensive Retiree Health Book for plan year 2023 will be mailed to you around November 1, 2022.If you are satisfied with your current plan, you do NOT need to do anything right now – you will receive further instructions and information about available health plans and premiums for plan year 2023 prior to Open Enrollment in November.If you would like to change plans before this year’s Open Enrollment in November, you may do so in June 2022 – you will be able to choose from the current plan offerings shown in the 2021-2022 Comprehensive Retiree Health Book. Additional information about available plans can be found here, plan provider videos can be viewed here, and enrollment forms can be downloaded and printed at the bottom of this page.You can send health enrollment or disenrollment forms to SDCERS by mail, fax, or email – please review the directions for sending health-related documents on this page.Please be advised that if you change plans in June 2022, the effective date of your new plan will be August 1, 2022 – December 31, 2022. You may still participate in the November 2022 Open Enrollment. IMPORTANT: The annual healthcare allowances will continue to be effective according to the fiscal year (July 1st – June 30th). Keep in mind that your healthcare premium may change in December, but your allowance will remain the same until the following July. You will receive another letter in the next month or so regarding your fiscal year 2023 healthcare allowance, if applicable to you.   If you have any questions, you can contact the Call Center at (619) 525-3600, open on regular business days from 9:00 a.m. to noon and 1:00 to 4:00 p.m. PST. However, as this is a significant change to retiree health, we anticipate a higher than usual call volume over the next several months. If your question is not urgent, we recommend submitting your request electronically via the Contact Us page; SDCERS staff will generally respond to electronic inquiries within one business day. Please note that at this time, SDCERS’ physical downtown offices are still closed to members and the public. Learn More...

City Retirees Enrolling in Private Health Plans May Be Eligible to Participate in New Automatic Reimbursement Process

Date: Apr 11, 2022 Categories: Health, News Articles, Press Release

This article is only applicable to City retirees who have a health reimbursement plan through the City.   Beginning with plan year 2023, the City is allowing SDCERS to offer an Annual Privately Secured reimbursement option for certain health plans. This will allow eligible members to receive an automatic reimbursement each month throughout the plan year, without having to provide monthly proof of payment. Eligible City retirees will receive a letter in November 2022 describing the new Annual Privately Secured reimbursement option, which will be fully implemented in January 2023, when the new plan year begins.   In order to qualify for the automatic reimbursement, you must be a City retiree enrolling in a private health insurance plan that has the same monthly premium for a 12-month period. Retirees enrolled in a health plan with fluctuating premium amounts do not qualify and will need to continue submitting monthly reimbursement requests.  Note: If you are a City retiree enrolling in a new plan before January 2023, you may be eligible for early participation in the Annual Privately Secured automatic reimbursement option when your new plan begins – please contact the SDCERS Health Team at health@sdcers.org for more information. However, if you already enrolled in your new plan for 2022, you will not be able to begin participating in the automatic reimbursement process until your plan renews.   Learn More...

SDCERS Board Member Lisa Marie Harris Honored as San Diego's "CFO of the Year"

Date: Mar 25, 2022 Categories: Board, News Articles, Press Release

Each year, the San Diego Business Journal honors the financial executives who work behind the scenes — the Chief Financial Officers (“CFO’s). Now in its 17th year, the “CFO of the Year Award” recognizes contributions to company growth, leadership, and community involvement by top financial executives in the San Diego area. This year, a panel of independent judges drawn from the region’s top financial leaders selected SDCERS’ Board Member Lisa Marie Harris as their top public sector CFO! This is a well-deserved recognition for Lisa Marie Harris and only further demonstrates how lucky we are to have her on our Board of Administration and Investment Committee. You can read more about her, as well as our other Board Members, on this page. Congratulations Lisa Marie!   Learn More...

Things to Consider Before Deciding When to Retire (or Enter DROP)

Date: Mar 11, 2022 Categories: Retirement Resources

A common question we get from our members is, “when should I retire/enter DROP?” Unfortunately, this is a question we cannot answer for you. What we can do is point out certain factors you should take into account when making this decision for yourself, but ultimately, it is a decision you must make on your own. Here are a few important considerations that may affect your decision:COLA – the annual cost of living adjustment (“COLA”) applies to all retirees’ monthly pension benefit every July 1st and may increase your benefit up to 2%. Some members choose to retire on or before June 30th so that their benefit receives the COLA immediately after their retirement.Annual Interest – on the flip side, some members wait to retire until after June 30th of a given year so that their contribution account receives the annual interest (currently 6.5%), which only applies to members who are not retired on July 1st. The additional interest added to a member’s COL Annuity and Surviving Spouse Annuity contributions may increase their initial benefit calculation even more than the COLA would have, had they retired before July 1st.Salary Increases – did you recently receive a significant salary increase? If so, you may want to continue working and receiving that higher salary for a longer time period before retiring, so that the higher salary is factored into your benefit calculation. Remember, depending on your plan tier, the “Final Compensation” used to calculate your benefit is your highest pensionable salary averaged over either three years or 12 consecutive months. Therefore, if you retire shortly after receiving a raise, it won’t significantly increase your pension benefit.Birthday – your retirement factor, another element of your pension benefit formula, is determined based on your plan tier and age at retirement, prorated in quarterly increments. When deciding on your retirement date, consider your exact age – for example, if your plan tier’s retirement factor increases between 60 and 61, and you retire when you are 60 years and 6 months old, the factor used in your benefit calculation will be slightly higher than what would be used if you retired at 60 years and 5 months old. (Note: Your quarter age is rounded down for the purposes of this calculation.) Of course, all of these considerations must be balanced by your personal circumstances and desires – such as the minimum post-retirement income you can comfortably live with and how much longer you want to continue working. Learn More...

March 2022 Remote Board & Committee Meetings

Date: Mar 04, 2022 Categories: Board, News Articles, Press Release

SDCERS will be holding its regularly scheduled March 2022 Board and Committee meetings. All meetings will continue to be held remotely for the foreseeable future. This means the Board meeting room will be closed to the public and only SDCERS staff whose presence is necessary to run the meeting will be onsite.   Although the public will be unable to physically attend these meetings, we have made the meetings available for the public to attend remotely. To attend the Audit, Disability, and/or Investment Committee meetings, please click the corresponding link below prior to the start time of the meeting. You will have to download the Zoom application in order to attend.  March 9th, 9:00 a.m. PST Audit Committee meeting Zoom link: https://us06web.zoom.us/j/81986570342  March 10th, 9:00 a.m. PST Disability Committee meeting Zoom link: https://us06web.zoom.us/j/82626964405  March 10th, 12:30 p.m. PST Investment Committee meeting Zoom link:https://us06web.zoom.us/j/83991781255   Once you are in the meeting, you can click the “View Options” bar at the top of the screen and then “Side-by-side mode” in order to see both the presenter’s screen and the webcams of Committee members and panelists.   SDCERS will also be live streaming the entirety of the Business & Governance Committee meeting on March 10th at 9:15 a.m. PST, and the Board meeting on March 11th at 8:30 a.m. PST. To access the live stream for either meeting, go to our Board Meeting Agendas page before the meeting starts and click on the “Agenda” link corresponding to the meeting you wish to attend. This will open a new tab with the agenda for that meeting, which includes an embedded video player that will automatically begin the live stream once the meeting starts. Video recordings of the meetings will also be available on this same page the week following the meeting, as well as on our YouTube page.   You may request to participate in public comment, either live (via Zoom) or written statement. To request time to speak, use the Contact Us page on our website to submit your public comment request at least 24 hours in advance of the meeting you are requesting participation in.  If you only wish for your written comments to be read aloud at the meeting, you can send us a message via our Contact Us page up to one hour before the relevant meeting. Include the following information in your request: your contact information, which meeting you wish to participate in, and if you would like your statement read aloud at the meeting or if you would like to speak during the meeting.  If you are requesting to speak aloud at the meeting, someone from SDCERS will contact you with instructions for how to join the corresponding meeting. All appropriate messages timely received will be responded to and/or read aloud at the appropriate meeting.   Learn More...

Active Member Beneficiaries & the Importance of Keeping Your Beneficiaries Updated

Date: Feb 24, 2022 Categories: Member Portal, Pension, Retirement Resources

When was the last time you thought about your SDCERS beneficiary designations? Over a year ago? Five years? The day you enrolled in SDCERS? Maybe never? Beneficiary designations may seem like a chore you can put off or do once and forget about, but the truth is you should review your beneficiary designations at least once a year to make sure they reflect your current circumstances. For example, beneficiary designations probably aren’t the first thing on your mind when you get married or divorced, have a child, or lose a loved one, but these are all defining life events that may affect who you want to receive your pension benefits when you die. Active Members (meaning those who are actively employed by the City, Port,* or Airport and contributing to SDCERS, but are not in DROP) are eligible to leave one of three types of death benefits if they die before retiring or entering DROP, and the eligibility requirements are very specific for two of the three types. Importantly, if you die without having designated your surviving spouse as your sole primary beneficiary, then your surviving spouse will not be eligible to receive the lifetime Death While Eligible or Industrial Death Benefit, even if all other eligibility requirements are satisfied. Below is a summary of the death benefits provided to Active Members, but please review the Death Benefits Fact Sheet for more in-depth information.   *General Port employees hired or rehired on or after January 1, 2009 must complete five consecutive years of Port employment after each hire or rehire date before they become Members of SDCERS and are eligible to leave a death benefit.Active Death Benefit – Paid upon the death of a Member who is not yet eligible to retire and whose death is not related to work (or in the event all pre-requisites for the Death While Eligible or Industrial Death Benefit are not satisfied).Death While Eligible Benefit – Paid upon the death of a Member who is already eligible to retire when they die and whose death is not related to work.Industrial Death Benefit – Paid upon the death of a Member whose death is due to work-related causes, as determined by the Workers’ Compensation Appeals Board.(Please review the full article and/or the Death Benefits Fact Sheet for more information about these death benefits.) As you can imagine, it may take a while to sort out who gets what if you die without updating your beneficiary designations. Luckily, designating a beneficiary is quick, easy, and you can do it from home by logging in to your SDCERS Member Portal account and clicking “Beneficiary Information” from the left menu. You will be able to name beneficiaries to receive different types of death benefits depending on if you are active, in DROP, or retired. You can designate both a primary and an alternate beneficiary. When you die, your primary beneficiary is first in line to collect the death benefit, while your alternate receives the benefit only if the primary is already deceased. For most death benefits, you can name multiple beneficiaries and designate a specific percentage of the benefit to each person. If you choose to do this, make sure your percentages add up to 100%. Lastly, you may also designate a trust to receive any death benefit that is not a continuance or an annuity. However, you will be required to provide SDCERS with a copy of the trust or certificate of trust.   Learn More...

Prop B Agreement Reached Between City and Some Labor Unions

Date: Feb 01, 2022 Categories: News Articles, Pension, Press Release, Proposition B

The MEA recently posted an article on their website announcing a tentative agreement regarding the invalidation of Proposition B (“Prop B”). You can review this article here. Yesterday, the City Council approved an agreement with the MEA and Local 127 regarding the unwinding of Prop B – you can review the materials associated with this agenda item from yesterday’s meeting, including a summary of the agreement, the draft resolution adopting the agreement, and the staff report on this resolution. The City is still in negotiations with the other relevant labor unions and will release more information once agreements are reached.   Please be advised that SDCERS was not a party to any negotiations, and we do not have any additional information about any tentative or final agreements reached other than what has already been made available to the public. That being said, if you are a Prop B employee (non-sworn City employees initially hired between July 20, 2012 and July 10, 2021) and you do end up becoming an SDCERS member, you will join the most recent plan tier according to your member classification – General, Safety Police, Safety Fire, or Safety Lifeguard. Please review your pension plan summary according to your initial hire date here, where you can see your plan tier’s current contribution rates, retirement factors, eligibility requirements, and more. Active Prop B employees will also have educational trainings assigned to them in Success Factors that must be completed.   To reiterate, SDCERS administers the City’s pension system pursuant to the relevant provisions of the City Charter and San Diego Municipal Code – it does not play a part in negotiating the pension benefits it is charged with administering. Therefore, we will be unable to answer any questions related to the outcome of any negotiations between the City and relevant labor unions regarding Prop B. Please direct any questions regarding Prop B to your respective labor union representative or to the City’s Risk Management Department, which you can contact via email at PropB@sandiego.gov. If you would prefer to ask your questions over the phone, please submit an appointment request using this form: www.sandiego.gov/risk-management/open-enrollment/appointment-request.   SDCERS will not have your name or any information about you in our system until we receive the formal transmittal from the City, which likely will not be until the beginning of September 2022 – approximately two months after you officially join the system on July 9, 2022. This is because joining the system will require a transfer from your SPSP-H account (managed by Principal), and it will take time for the City and Principal to process the requisite paperwork before the transmittal is sent to SDCERS; the transmittal is what provides SDCERS with the identities of the new members and their information. Until that time, SDCERS will not be able to answer any specific questions about your account. Please be sure to view the educational materials available via Success Factors in your SAP account, which provide all of the available information about this transition.   Learn More...

Results of 2021 General Board Member Election

Date: Jan 14, 2022 Categories: Board, News Articles, Press Release

On December 16th, voting concluded in the election for SDCERS' active General Board Member seat. All active General Members (City, Port, and Airport) were eligible to vote in the General Board Member elections. Thank you to all who participated in these elections, and especially to both candidates for volunteering their time.   The candidate who received the majority of votes for the General Board Member seat was Thomas Battaglia. The full Board recertified the election results at today’s meeting. You may recognize his name from past Board meetings, because Thomas previously served as one of our two active General Board Members from January 2017 to March 2021. As he is replacing former Board Member Sarah Mayen, who terminated City service before her four-year term ended, Thomas will serve the remainder of Sarah Mayen’s term, ending March 31, 2025.   Congratulations to our newest elected Board Member and thank you in advance for your voluntary service on SDCERS’ Board of Administration! Learn More...

2021 1099-R Forms

Date: Jan 13, 2022 Categories: 1099R, News Articles, Press Release

All IRS Form 1099-R’s for tax year 2021 have been mailed. This means all SDCERS retirees and beneficiaries who received a payment from SDCERS in calendar year 2021 should be receiving their 2021 1099-R forms via U.S. mail over the next couple of weeks. To access your 1099-R form sooner, please log in to your Member Portal account, click on “Tax Reporting” on the left, and select “2021 1099R” to download an electronic copy. You can also update your tax withholding preferences on your Member Portal by clicking on “Tax Withholding.” This guide explains how to update your tax withholding preferences.   For a detailed explanation of the pertinent information in your 1099-R, as well as answers to frequently asked questions regarding this tax form, please review our 1099-R Fact Sheet. If you have additional questions, please contact the Call Center at (619) 525-3600 or submit your questions electronically via our Contact Us web form. Learn More...

January 2022 Remote Board & Committee Meetings

Date: Jan 07, 2022 Categories: Board, News Articles, Press Release

SDCERS will be holding its regularly scheduled January 2022 Board and Committee meetings. All meetings will continue to be held remotely for the foreseeable future. This means the Board meeting room will be closed to the public and only SDCERS staff whose presence is necessary to run the meeting will be onsite.   Although the public will be unable to physically attend these meetings, we have made the meetings available for the public to attend remotely. To attend the Disability and/or Investment Committee meetings, please click the corresponding link below prior to the start time of the meeting. You will have to download the Zoom application in order to attend.  January 13th, 9:00 a.m. PST Disability Committee meeting Zoom link: https://us06web.zoom.us/j/89423822375  January 13th, 12:30 p.m. PST Investment Committee meeting Zoom link: https://us06web.zoom.us/j/82991287838   Once you are in the meeting, you can click the “View Options” bar at the top of the screen and then “Side-by-side mode” in order to see both the presenter’s screen and the webcams of Committee members and panelists.   SDCERS will also be live streaming the entirety of the Business & Governance Committee meeting on January 13th at 9:15 a.m. PST, and the Board meeting on January 14th at 8:30 a.m. PST. To access the live stream for either meeting, go to our Board Meeting Agendas page before the meeting starts and click on the “Agenda” link corresponding to the meeting you wish to attend. This will open a new tab with the agenda for that meeting, which includes an embedded video player that will automatically begin the live stream once the meeting starts. Video recordings of the meetings will also be available on this same page the week following the meeting, as well as on our YouTube page.   You may request to participate in public comment, either live (via Zoom) or written statement. To request time to speak, use the Contact Us page on our website to submit your public comment request at least 24 hours in advance of the meeting you are requesting participation in.  If you only wish for your written comments to be read aloud at the meeting, you can send us a message via our Contact Us page up to one hour before the relevant meeting. Include the following information in your request: your contact information, which meeting you wish to participate in, and if you would like your statement read aloud at the meeting or if you would like to speak during the meeting.  If you are requesting to speak aloud at the meeting, someone from SDCERS will contact you with instructions for how to join the corresponding meeting. All appropriate messages timely received will be responded to and/or read aloud at the appropriate meeting.   Learn More...

SDCERS Offices Remain Closed

Date: Jan 07, 2022 Categories: News Articles, Press Release

Please be advised that due to the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, our downtown offices remain closed to all but essential staff members required to be in the office in order to perform daily tasks. The majority of SDCERS’ staff continues to work remotely and, unfortunately, our members are still not permitted on site. However, our Call Center continues to be open Monday through Friday, from 9:00 a.m. to noon, and 1:00 to 4:00 p.m. To help decrease call volume, please submit non-urgent questions or concerns via our Contact Us page, which we continue to monitor and generally respond to within one business day.   We will continue to conduct retirement counseling appointments telephonically, which we have been doing since March of 2020. The phone counseling sessions have been well-received, and document signing takes place via email exchange. If you already have a retirement counseling appointment scheduled, you will be contacted in advance with details. If you have recently submitted your online application, you will be contacted soon to schedule your appointment.   If you are thinking about retiring or entering DROP soon, please review the fact sheets, FAQs, and videos on our website, which will help answer many of your questions in advance. Keep an eye out for retirement educational webinars, which are announced periodically via your work email. You can also estimate your future retirement benefit by using the Benefit Calculator on the Member Portal. If you have not already registered on our secure Member Portal, click on “Register” on the Member Portal page and follow the registration instructions.   Once you have reviewed all of the pertinent information, if you want to schedule a retirement counseling appointment (including for service retirements, DROP entries, and DROP exits), you must submit an online retirement application through your Member Portal account by clicking “Online Applications” on the left panel. Keep in mind this electronic application is not final – your submission simply prompts us to contact you to schedule a counseling appointment.  CITY RETIREE HEALTH REIMBURSEMENTS: City Retiree Health Reimbursement requests are being processed as usual. For fastest processing, submit your documents via email (attached as a PDF) to health@sdcers.org. Please ensure you have submitted complete documents – we will contact you if we receive incomplete submissions, which may result in delayed reimbursements. Alternatively, you may fax your documents to (858) 581-5314, or mail them to our office at 401 West A Street, Ste. 400, San Diego, CA 92101.   Learn More...